tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post8378791530411691244..comments2024-03-13T23:52:03.580-07:00Comments on Otaku Nuts: Symbolism and Mythology in BleachAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09555893843135041641noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-1609837322591974082017-07-13T15:52:41.216-07:002017-07-13T15:52:41.216-07:00Thanks, mythology is something of a hobby of mine....Thanks, mythology is something of a hobby of mine.<br /><br />I think of the Quincies as having grown out of a forgotten semi-Christian cult that still retained a lot of Jewish influences, about 1200 years ago, since that's when Yhwach was said to be born. If the lost tribes exist in Bleach's world, it could be that they later incorporated Christian traditions for some unknown reason. I hadn't thought of that, or for that matter heard of the lost tribes before you mentioned it.<br /><br />I say this because, while I think a lot of elements are more similar to Judaism, the Quincies do seem to have some Christian motifs. Mainly the recurring cross motif & the form of most of the Vollstandigs. I'm not really sure about the 5 pointed star.<br /><br />I wouldn't generally describe Yhwach as "Evil Jesus" either, but I think there are some elements of that. Like the warped, communion-style ritual he uses to create the Sternritter.<br /><br />The only reason I say I'm not sure how much of this is intentional is because I could easily see Kubo just wanting to write a military autocrat who styled himself after the Jewish god & the other similarities to the Old Testament coincidentally happened. It's hard to say without knowing how much Kubo knows about western religion.Lithphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04047428328587186227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-70663258430476640742017-07-13T10:43:35.966-07:002017-07-13T10:43:35.966-07:00Thanks for you knowlegle and research =)
About in...Thanks for you knowlegle and research =)<br /><br />About intentionality, I can see all of that be the case. Evil jesus isn´t exactly the terminology i would use, but yes True Messiah of Jews. All you mentionated describe very well what Jews wanted and still want today. Ywach is just realization of that desires. I also go more further and say that quincy are in reality one of lost tribes of Israel. All their beliefs and culture are the same. /mindblownMaria Conceiçãohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13242850855092385834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-81494038078013419122017-03-10T02:31:21.445-08:002017-03-10T02:31:21.445-08:00Aw, man, I always show up sooooo late to these thi...Aw, man, I always show up sooooo late to these things...oh well, here's my input anyway:<br /><br />Yhwach being "evil Jesus" is viable, but some of that is just him being closer to the original idea of the Messiah. The reason most Jews didn't become Christians is because their traditions said that the Messiah would not be a spiritual leader preaching peace & enlightenment, but a military leader who would come to destroy their oppressors. Say like a war of vengeance against a certain genocide.<br /><br />He also acts like Yahweh more generally, having designated a group of followers as his chosen people, a nation he protects as long as they agree to serve him--but having no real regard for any individual member.<br /><br />I often wonder how much of this was intentional.<br /><br />I would also say there's some amount of Soviet influence in the Wandenreich. Yhwach looks Russian to me, & Quilge's practice of shooting his own soldiers who tried to retreat is something Stalin mandated.<br /><br />Moving away from the Quincies, I'm sure the Royal Guard have more specific references, but what I find interesting are the mythological motifs. The notion that if you dismember a deity (like the Soul King), the parts will become other deities, of culture heroes that jumpstart civilization by creating things like clothes or writing, & of language having the power to literally speak things into being among the divine are all common mythological motifs, & also things we see in the concept of the Royal Guard.Lithphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04047428328587186227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-89460477898877386112014-07-10T01:04:40.338-07:002014-07-10T01:04:40.338-07:00Thanks, I had fun writing it. It was interesting f...Thanks, I had fun writing it. It was interesting finding out about other belief systems and Japanese mythology.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996487145604196475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-26379022733364854582014-07-09T19:07:56.223-07:002014-07-09T19:07:56.223-07:00The spirit consisting of four souls was a really i...The spirit consisting of four souls was a really interesting concept. Very well researched and thought out, nicely done. Slaher672https://www.blogger.com/profile/05101505876474448813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-29214319498075264092014-07-08T15:42:54.527-07:002014-07-08T15:42:54.527-07:00Wow. You've obviously put a fair bit of resear...Wow. You've obviously put a fair bit of research into this; I'm impressed! <br /><br />I didn't know that actually, but it does seem somewhat likely given the other Nazi symbolism involved with the Vandenreich. Hopefully we'll find out more about the Gate of the Sun at some point in Bleach so we can see if it is indeed a reference to the real-life Sun Gate.<br /><br />That was really interesting, thanks for pointing it out!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996487145604196475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-9053448323812312752014-07-08T15:35:12.086-07:002014-07-08T15:35:12.086-07:00Thanks a lot! :)Thanks a lot! :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996487145604196475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-83312921030965724302014-07-08T08:06:08.620-07:002014-07-08T08:06:08.620-07:00Cool post. Didn't know all of that before.Cool post. Didn't know all of that before. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-58219138366429251822014-07-08T08:03:10.810-07:002014-07-08T08:03:10.810-07:00Mr. ClayDragon, I found your article on symbolism ...Mr. ClayDragon, I found your article on symbolism & mythology in Bleach very detailed and well thought-out. However, I just wanted to add in one more interesting connection with the Vandenreich in Bleach, and real-life history and mythology, that you might have missed out. To elaborate - in Chapter 490 page 1, Yhwach issues an order to the Sternritter, "to prepare at once and gather at the Sun Gate." (See the page link) http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=Bleach&chapter=490&index=1&page=1 <br /><br />The "Sun Gate/Gate of the Sun" is a real-life structure, and part of the greater, ancient Tiwanaku complex in Bolivia. (See page link) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_of_the_Sun The connection which Kubo may have made with in relation to the Nazis, and thus to the Vandenreich as a whole; is that Tiwanaku was once seen by the Nazis to be a lost city that was built in the past, by ancestors of the 'Nordic Master Race', due to the theory of a Nazi archaeologist, Edmund Kiss. (See page link) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Kiss <br /><br />In 1928, Kiss had come up with this theory, and in 1938, Himmler sent him to Bolivia on an archaeological expedition in order to prove it. Thus, it was assumed by those such as Kiss, White supremacists, and racial anthropologists in the 1920s and 1930s, that Tiwanaku was clear evidence for the existence of White Europeans within South America in ancient times. <br /><br />To conclude my post, it is possible that Kubo may have known of Nazi Germany's connection with Tiwanaku and the Sun Gate of Bolivia, historically and as part of the Nazis' occult, racial theories and beliefs; and so put in a small reference to them in the first page of Chapter 490 of Bleach.<br /><br />To learn more about this, see and click on the four links that I have just posted at the end. <br /><br />1). http://theappendix.net/issues/2013/4/andean-atlantis-race-science-and-the-nazi-occult-in-bolivia<br />2). http://archive.archaeology.org/blog/the-fantasy-world-of-tiwanaku/<br />3). http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=h_KdAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA36&dq=edmund+kiss+tiwanaku&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kv27U4fjNM_n7Abi_IGoCQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false<br />4). http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sgp5IbfVdXYC&pg=PA183&dq=edmund+kiss+tiwanaku&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kv27U4fjNM_n7Abi_IGoCQ&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=falseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4926295868515831102.post-49902558647527799822014-07-08T07:28:26.170-07:002014-07-08T07:28:26.170-07:00Interesting post! ;)Interesting post! ;)Mangekyo022https://www.blogger.com/profile/02467337614015903938noreply@blogger.com